Eklund: A MUST READ: "What Anybody Can Do." by Jay Greenberg

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These anecdotal instances of togetherness is all fine and good...

BUT WHAT POLICIES AND LAWS ARE GOING TO CHANGE???

The government is corrupt by monied interest who want to keep the down trodden stay down...they’ve invented a whole new slave labor in prisons...some states pay yhe prisoners literally cents a day...some states pay nothing at all...so the billionaires pay off the politicians...all of them from reagan to trump...and every democratic president in between...they’re all in on the scam to create a massive incarceration population.

So don’t be fooled into thinking that somehow we’ve turned a corner because one policeman took a knee for 10 minutes.

We need to end the systematic racism of the policies and laws that our politicians oppress us with at the behest of the billionaire class.

Again...don’t confuse momentary acts of kindness for an end to systematic racism.

If that’s pretty much your take...then move out of the way...you’re blocking the people that ARE GOING TO MAKE THE CHANGES NEEDED...and they are MANY!!!

Today we are trading 1 form of bigotry for another it seems. How anyone equates the struggle some face today to the struggles others faced in the 1950's and 1960's is absurd. Wayne had great parents which is the key to solving todays crisis. Were it not for Wayne's parents teaching him how to handle the idiots he would of never made the NHL. Unfortunately humans picking on each other is just the sinfulness of man. Is it a big secret that within each large group they always find reasons to attack or pick on each other for other differences? Until Cloning is perfected we will all be born with differences to pick on. The choice is simple, you can let the idiots drive you down or you can over come them by being the best success you can be. Karma has a funny way of taking care of the jerks.

Today we are trading 1 form of bigotry for another it seems. How anyone equates the struggle some face today to the struggles others faced in the 1950's and 1960's is absurd. Wayne had great parents which is the key to solving todays crisis. Were it not for Wayne's parents teaching him how to handle the idiots he would of never made the NHL. Unfortunately humans picking on each other is just the sinfulness of man. Is it a big secret that within each large group they always find reasons to attack or pick on each other for other differences? Until Cloning is perfected we will all be born with differences to pick on. The choice is simple, you can let the idiots drive you down or you can over come them by being the best success you can be. Karma has a funny way of taking care of the jerks.
- dtroyhill[/quote

Huh??

Again...there are power systems put in place by billionaires through our politicians to create and foster a fundamentally racist society.

You’re giving another version of the ayn rand...pull yourself up by your bootstraps argument.

It’s not about bootstraps...or patenting...it’s about systemically racist power structures.

Ayn Rand made a lot of sense in the pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Why isn't anyone addressing the native Indians, seems to me they the ones that got the raw deal... ?

Today we are trading 1 form of bigotry for another it seems. How anyone equates the struggle some face today to the struggles others faced in the 1950's and 1960's is absurd. Wayne had great parents which is the key to solving todays crisis. Were it not for Wayne's parents teaching him how to handle the idiots he would of never made the NHL. Unfortunately humans picking on each other is just the sinfulness of man. Is it a big secret that within each large group they always find reasons to attack or pick on each other for other differences? Until Cloning is perfected we will all be born with differences to pick on. The choice is simple, you can let the idiots drive you down or you can over come them by being the best success you can be. Karma has a funny way of taking care of the jerks.
- dtroyhill

People who didn't do anything to anybody don't have anything to apologize for.

[quote=dtroyhill]Today we are trading 1 form of bigotry for another it seems. How anyone equates the struggle some face today to the struggles others faced in the 1950's and 1960's is absurd. Wayne had great parents which is the key to solving todays crisis. Were it not for Wayne's parents teaching him how to handle the idiots he would of never made the NHL. Unfortunately humans picking on each other is just the sinfulness of man. Is it a big secret that within each large group they always find reasons to attack or pick on each other for other differences? Until Cloning is perfected we will all be born with differences to pick on. The choice is simple, you can let the idiots drive you down or you can over come them by being the best success you can be. Karma has a funny way of taking care of the jerks.
- bruceflyers[/quote

Huh??

Again...there are power systems put in place by billionaires through our politicians to create and foster a fundamentally racist society.

You’re giving another version of the ayn rand...pull yourself up by your bootstraps argument.

It’s not about bootstraps...or patenting...it’s about systemically racist power structures.

Self-Accountability is important too. It's easy just to become a victim and blame the system. Also family, parenting. If you don't have a strong family, parents to raise you properly then you're going to have a hard time no matter what colour of skin you have

People who didn't do anything to anybody don't have anything to apologize for.
- kaptaan

Agreed

People who didn't do anything to anybody don't have anything to apologize for.
- kaptaan

You’re a numbskull.

Ayn Rand made a lot of sense in the pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Why isn't anyone addressing the native Indians, seems to me they the ones that got the raw deal... ?
- kaptaan

Ayn rand was a fascist.

Agreed
- BringNYIhome

I disagree to your agreed and raise you 2 huh???’s

Perhaps a more concrete action would be to critically investigate the policing of the Police.

I was not at all surprised by the Floyd video. These sort of incidents have been happening throughout US history with disconcerting frequency. This one just happened to get vividly taped.

There are many who will diminish such matters by saying there are good cops and bad cops. I would say we cannot in modern times just leave it to matters of individual morality and job performance. There needs to be incentives and punishments in place which make being a bad cop very, very costly, and being good ones worthy of recognition, and we should insist on it.

In the US, the one profession where labor unions have not been decimated is the Police. These unions consider it to be a medieval code of honor to cover up for each other. It is well known how hard it is to have corrupt cops be prosecuted. Even after prosecution there are often no consequences because of non-judicial arbitration processes, and a moronic mentality by many that doing such things 'dishonors the brave men and women in the armed forces ' etc.

Before our sporting events we play the anthem in Canada and US (no other developed country does this btw). More puzzlingly, this playing of the anthem has become synonymous with "honoring the service." This is baffling to me - the anthem and the flag represents countries in their totality, not just the present, but their aspirational ideals. How did it become, for this one occasion, some kind of jingoistic jingle?

Who represents American and human ideals more? The athletes who protest for what is clearly a just cause and have risked professional exile, domestic terrorism, and loss of endorsements? The ones that come from very harsh backgrounds and are usually extremely very good at what they do? The ones who never let their protests affect their performance on the playing field?

Or the mentality that all cops and military should be revered before games simply because of their profession (with such reverence often, as was pointed out in a Flyers thread 2 days back, funded by taxpayer money), even when such professions frequently lapse into non-punishable thuggery?

You’re a numbskull.
- bruceflyers

You sound unhinged or angry, maybe both...

Perhaps a more concrete action would be to critically investigate the policing of the Police.

I was not at all surprised by the Floyd video. These sort of incidents have been happening throughout US history with disconcerting frequency. This one just happened to get vividly taped.

There are many who will diminish such matters by saying there are good cops and bad cops. I would say we cannot in modern times just leave it to matters of individual morality and job performance. There needs to be incentives and punishments in place which make being a bad cop very, very costly, and being good ones worthy of recognition, and we should insist on it.

In the US, the one profession where labor unions have not been decimated is the Police. These unions consider it to be a medieval code of honor to cover up for each other. It is well known how hard it is to have corrupt cops be prosecuted. Even after prosecution there are often no consequences because of non-judicial arbitration processes, and a moronic mentality by many that doing such things 'dishonors the brave men and women in the armed forces ' etc.

Before our sporting events we play the anthem in Canada and US (no other developed country does this btw). More puzzlingly, this playing of the anthem has become synonymous with "honoring the service." This is baffling to me - the anthem and the flag represents countries in their totality, not just the present, but their aspirational ideals. How did it become, for this one occasion, some kind of jingoistic jingle?

Who represents American and human ideals more? The athletes who protest for what is clearly a just cause and have risked professional exile, domestic terrorism, and loss of endorsements? The ones that come from very harsh backgrounds and are usually extremely very good at what they do? The ones who never let their protests affect their performance on the playing field?

Or the mentality that all cops and military should be revered before games simply because of their profession (with such reverence often, as was pointed out in a Flyers thread 2 days back, funded by taxpayer money), even when such professions frequently lapse into non-punishable thuggery?
- PT21

No issues with honoring the flag and the professions that provide domestic and foreign security for the people.

No issues with honoring the flag and the professions that provide domestic and foreign security for the people.
- kaptaan

Thanks for sharing! I am at your service to serve as a confidante for personal divulgences!

Now, if you can muster up reading comprehension, I suggest your exercise it by giving yourself a treat and indulging yourself in reading what I actually wrote.

The usual superficial claptrap. For the truth you have to dig deeper:

The 40 percent number is the closest I could figure while trying to do an apples to apples comparison. We know for sure that the rate of domestic violence among cops from the little data we have is ridiculously high. We know that thanks to research done in part by police officers, some of whom suggest that number might be low. So we wind up with cops being around 15 times more likely to engage in domestic violence than members of the general population.

https://www.fatherly.com/...ty-and-domestic-violence/

The usual superficial claptrap. For the truth you have to dig deeper:



https://www.fatherly.com/...ty-and-domestic-violence/
- fls13

I have been mugged 4 times - three times in Philly, once in Port Authority in the days when it was wild and woolly and Times Square had a scary but authentic character and had not yet devolved into the Kim Kardashian of neighborhoods. I have had my skull cracked open in one of those incidents, and in two others had a gun thrust into my midriff.

One of my good friends was shot dead by teenagers who, after robbing him and knocking him to the ground, came back and shot him because they did not like the way he was looking at them.

https://mycitypaper.com/a...s/031496/article029.shtml

There must be deterrents for such behavior and people to enforce consequences. If such forces are drawing overly aggressive and misogynistic individuals, as I guess you are suggesting, we should ask why.

Police are a necessary part of all realistic societies. The issue is to certainly value them, but not overvalue them or venerate them. They exist to serve society, not the other way around.

And which race do you think is disproportionately teprrsented in the prison system...

Pretty hard to have a great upbringing when either or both of your parents are tossed in jail for dumbass charges...your schools are gutted...your drinking water is laced with lead...addictions created by big pharma tear at the fibre of your whole community...

Blaming the victims, huh?

Nicely done ✅

Perhaps a more concrete action would be to critically investigate the policing of the Police.

I was not at all surprised by the Floyd video. These sort of incidents have been happening throughout US history with disconcerting frequency. This one just happened to get vividly taped.

There are many who will diminish such matters by saying there are good cops and bad cops. I would say we cannot in modern times just leave it to matters of individual morality and job performance. There needs to be incentives and punishments in place which make being a bad cop very, very costly, and being good ones worthy of recognition, and we should insist on it.

In the US, the one profession where labor unions have not been decimated is the Police. These unions consider it to be a medieval code of honor to cover up for each other. It is well known how hard it is to have corrupt cops be prosecuted. Even after prosecution there are often no consequences because of non-judicial arbitration processes, and a moronic mentality by many that doing such things 'dishonors the brave men and women in the armed forces ' etc.

Before our sporting events we play the anthem in Canada and US (no other developed country does this btw). More puzzlingly, this playing of the anthem has become synonymous with "honoring the service." This is baffling to me - the anthem and the flag represents countries in their totality, not just the present, but their aspirational ideals. How did it become, for this one occasion, some kind of jingoistic jingle?

Who represents American and human ideals more? The athletes who protest for what is clearly a just cause and have risked professional exile, domestic terrorism, and loss of endorsements? The ones that come from very harsh backgrounds and are usually extremely very good at what they do? The ones who never let their protests affect their performance on the playing field?

Or the mentality that all cops and military should be revered before games simply because of their profession (with such reverence often, as was pointed out in a Flyers thread 2 days back, funded by taxpayer money), even when such professions frequently lapse into non-punishable thuggery?
- PT21

Loved your take...now THAT i can agree with!!

And which race do you think is disproportionately teprrsented in the prison system...

Pretty hard to have a great upbringing when either or both of your parents are tossed in jail for dumbass charges...your schools are gutted...your drinking water is laced with lead...addictions created by big pharma tear at the fibre of your whole community...

Blaming the victims, huh?

Nicely done ✅
- bruceflyers

Is that all of the reasons though?

Why do many immigrant families or color who come from and with nothing in economic or educational capital succeed professionally and economically in much higher percentages than the black underclass? Could it be that there is institutional racism AND a culture of social dissolution?

One of the sad things that has happened in our countries is that we cannot have a debate on merit, and be open-minded about all sides to an argument. People are interested in validating their own grievances, not solving the problem.

There must be deterrents for such behavior and people to enforce consequences. If such forces are drawing overly aggressive and misogynistic individuals, as I guess you are suggesting, we should ask why.
- PT21

I'm not saying disband all police departments but a lot needs to be tightened up. Screening candidates for sure. I'm sure a lot of PD upper management knows better than anyone the job can attract the wrong people but the systems need to be better. There's been a lot of talk about better training, which could help, but can only go so far.

I'm not saying disband all police departments but a lot needs to be tightened up. Screening candidates for sure. I'm sure a lot of PD upper management knows better than anyone the job can attract the wrong people but the systems need to be better. There's been a lot of talk about better training, which could help, but can only go so far.
- fls13

Sure, sure...based on my personal and anecdotal experience, there is a lot of said attraction of "wrong people". And a lot of support for those said wrong people for the wrong reasons.

I will explain the last comment indirectly, with this NRA reference

https://www.theshovel.com...st-tyrannical-government/

Is that all of the reasons though?

Why do many immigrant families or color who come from and with nothing in economic or educational capital succeed professionally and economically in much higher percentages than the black underclass? Could it be that there is institutional racism AND a culture of social dissolution?

One of the sad things that has happened in our countries is that we cannot have a debate on merit, and be open-minded about all sides to an argument. People are interested in validating their own grievances, not solving the problem.
- PT21

You mean the immigrants of colour that aren’t brutalized and terrorized by american military that bomb/kill syrians afghanistans libyans somalians pakistanis iraqis?

You mean those immigrants???

I was at that exhibition game in London ON. I had no idea what went onto the ice or what it meant. When I learned the next day what happened and the underlying message, I was disgusted that I live in a city with someone who could do that. I was embarrassed/ashamed for our city. If that asshat had been near me in the stands, and I understood in real time what had happened, I’d have gotten 5 minutes for wiping the floor with that POS. Enough is enough, serious change needs to happen - NOW.